All the bond buyers have a strategic interest that the US keeps its position of power but since this comes with unrealistic growth expectations, i cant imagine them all holding on to it. And then comes the panic selling...
Trump is kind of the perfect storm, it looks almost deliberate. I wonder if right wing media will still be able control the narrative and place the blame on some other minority in all the down trend -- wether the US might recover or stay on that trajectory.
Europe has its own problems, and US instability will magnify them. The last 20 years have shown that China is essentially uninvestible for foreigners. Japan maybe offers relative stability but without growth. Commodities might seem like a safe haven, but will decline in value in a recession.
For the pension funds, insurance companies, and sovereign wealth funds who hold the hundreds of billions of dollars of US debt instruments, what are the realistic option? Buy billions in gold? Invest in Japan, South Korea and India? Bet on a European turnaround? Yolo it on fartcoin?
I'm not sure what the safe haven is when America goes bankrupt.
> I wonder if right wing media will still be able control the narrative and place the blame on some other minority in all the down trend
That might depend on how much more dirt his followers are willing to eat for Trump. And this is somewhat hard to predict, many of them are already so deep in the con there is a significant sunken-cost fallacy at play. But I am pretty sure all of that has limits as well.
Well, there's the deficit but also China's central bank has steadily reduced Treas holdings while BoJ ramps up, and other sovereigns incented to reduce if they think dollar continue to weaken or their country was running trade surplus w/US. (trying to figure out vol profile on $DXY in tradingview...)
But we are around or just over Bessent's pain points for /ZB and /zn so we'll see
The big beautiful bill that passed a few weeks ago go gave massive tax cuts to the rich while reducing social safety nets and increasing the deficit by 5 trillion.
Both parties are hell bent on flying this country into a mountain.
> The big beautiful bill that passed a few weeks ago go gave massive tax cuts to the rich while reducing social safety nets and increasing the deficit by 5 trillion.
You changed the subject from the BBB to the overall debt. The BBB was not bipartisan legislation.
there is a whole lot of options as to what is next for america except that fucking elon musk is involved in any way. better chance of him being arrested and sent to el salvador :)
Yeah I'd rather have the country go full commie and nationalize everything he owns and strip him if citizenship and deport back to South Africa than his party "save us"..... At least we have some experience with communist governments and the path to recovery
Do you honestly think the government would stop at His holdings once that floodgate is opened. Feinstein selling US post office properties via her Husband to friends and business partners with government oversight removed because of her status at Hundreds of millions below market value to while tacking on a 6% commission is how that would go. The further intimidation that any business that contributed to the ruling politica parties opponents would face the same result is probably the next result. This would be an extremely bad road to travel down
I don't see another option. We already have the gov going down far worse roads of papers please and secret police. I at least want the some of these corrupt rich people to go down with the ship.
I used to view the mcarthy era of communist purges as a bad thing that harmed many innocents. But if we are going to throw out due process and habeus corpus anyway? I want the MAGA and donors like musk hunted like any communist was. And their children and grandchildren on watchlists . Just like the commies.
For magnitude:
The Foreign Investors Who Bought the Recklessly Ballooning US Debt: July 2025 Update - https://wolfstreet.com/2025/07/18/the-foreign-investors-who-... - July 18th, 2025
Why the economy won't grow out of this debt structure:
Grow the Economy? Not With These Immigration Restrictions - https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2025-07-18/immigr... | https://archive.today/GfLWG - July 18th, 2025
All the bond buyers have a strategic interest that the US keeps its position of power but since this comes with unrealistic growth expectations, i cant imagine them all holding on to it. And then comes the panic selling...
Trump is kind of the perfect storm, it looks almost deliberate. I wonder if right wing media will still be able control the narrative and place the blame on some other minority in all the down trend -- wether the US might recover or stay on that trajectory.
Where does the money go though?
Europe has its own problems, and US instability will magnify them. The last 20 years have shown that China is essentially uninvestible for foreigners. Japan maybe offers relative stability but without growth. Commodities might seem like a safe haven, but will decline in value in a recession.
For the pension funds, insurance companies, and sovereign wealth funds who hold the hundreds of billions of dollars of US debt instruments, what are the realistic option? Buy billions in gold? Invest in Japan, South Korea and India? Bet on a European turnaround? Yolo it on fartcoin?
I'm not sure what the safe haven is when America goes bankrupt.
Switzerland?
Eurobonds until India and/or Africa have economies with sovereign debt with similar risk.
> I wonder if right wing media will still be able control the narrative and place the blame on some other minority in all the down trend
That might depend on how much more dirt his followers are willing to eat for Trump. And this is somewhat hard to predict, many of them are already so deep in the con there is a significant sunken-cost fallacy at play. But I am pretty sure all of that has limits as well.
Well, there's the deficit but also China's central bank has steadily reduced Treas holdings while BoJ ramps up, and other sovereigns incented to reduce if they think dollar continue to weaken or their country was running trade surplus w/US. (trying to figure out vol profile on $DXY in tradingview...)
But we are around or just over Bessent's pain points for /ZB and /zn so we'll see
Treas by central banks https://home.treasury.gov/data/treasury-international-capita...
wolf street?? no ty
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The big beautiful bill that passed a few weeks ago go gave massive tax cuts to the rich while reducing social safety nets and increasing the deficit by 5 trillion.
Both parties are hell bent on flying this country into a mountain.
Maybe Elon's third party can do something.
“Both parties“ did not do this. A single party did this. Not acknowledging this is part of the problem.
there's objective data that shows the debt is bipartisan
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2013/09/27/chart-of-...
> The big beautiful bill that passed a few weeks ago go gave massive tax cuts to the rich while reducing social safety nets and increasing the deficit by 5 trillion.
You changed the subject from the BBB to the overall debt. The BBB was not bipartisan legislation.
there is a whole lot of options as to what is next for america except that fucking elon musk is involved in any way. better chance of him being arrested and sent to el salvador :)
Yeah I'd rather have the country go full commie and nationalize everything he owns and strip him if citizenship and deport back to South Africa than his party "save us"..... At least we have some experience with communist governments and the path to recovery
Do you honestly think the government would stop at His holdings once that floodgate is opened. Feinstein selling US post office properties via her Husband to friends and business partners with government oversight removed because of her status at Hundreds of millions below market value to while tacking on a 6% commission is how that would go. The further intimidation that any business that contributed to the ruling politica parties opponents would face the same result is probably the next result. This would be an extremely bad road to travel down
I don't see another option. We already have the gov going down far worse roads of papers please and secret police. I at least want the some of these corrupt rich people to go down with the ship.
I used to view the mcarthy era of communist purges as a bad thing that harmed many innocents. But if we are going to throw out due process and habeus corpus anyway? I want the MAGA and donors like musk hunted like any communist was. And their children and grandchildren on watchlists . Just like the commies.